A discussion about UFOs and extraterrestrials was considered taboo for the past 75 years. Big scientists, experts & government officials ridiculed this subject and enforced those who would dare to talk about it. Finally, the UAP/UFOs & alien abduction is turning into a serious talk among mainstream experts and media houses. Professionals like Dr. Jacques Vallée & Dr. Gary Nolan have added a lot of credentials to the matter.
A couple of months ago, Dr. Nolan opened up about his meeting with the CIA and research on UFO/UAP encounters in an interview with Vice. He said that he was approached by the CIA and some aeronautics corporations. He said that the agency had been investigating the UAP and UFO encounters of the pilot and needed his help. Most of the victims were defense or governmental personnel or people working in the aerospace industry. After their UAP/ UFO encounters, they all got damaged or hurt such as buzz noises in their head, got sick, etc.
In a podcast with Lex Fridman, a research scientist and lecturer at MIT, Dr. Nolan expressed his views on UFOs, alien civilizations, crashed materials & possession of UFO materials. The Fridman-Nolan discussion centers on UFOs but also other anomalous topics, and how Nolan, as a scientist, sees his role and science in general, in engaging with these subjects and on the necessity of speculating and thinking outside the box.
At the beginning of the podcast, Fridman asked Nolan what fascinated him in human biology at the level of the human cell. Dr. Nolan replied: “The micro-machines and the nano-machines that proteins make and become – that to me is the most interesting. The fact that you have this basically dynamic computer within every cell that’s constantly processing its environment. And at the heart of it is DNA which is a dynamic machine, a dynamic computation process people think of the DNA as a linear code it’s codes within codes within codes and it is actually the epigenetic state that’s doing this amazing processing.”
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“I mean if you ever wanted to believe in God,” said Nolan, “just look inside the cell.” They continued the discussion about DNA and how this complex material stores information. He noted that he does not know if he actually believes in God, “but if you want to believe in something: the universe was created or at least enabled to allow for life to form”.
Fridman’s next question to Dr. Nolan was: “How many alien civilizations are there in the universe?” He replied: “Innumerable. I would just be surprised – what a waste of all that space, just for us. What kinds of empires have risen and fallen across that space that we’ll never know about, and isn’t that sad, to not know about something so grand.”
Nolan admitted watching UFO videos on social media and being fond of science fiction, especially those writers who based their thoughts on evolution. He mentioned Larry Niven and David Brin as exemplars.
Further, Fridman asked: “What is most fascinating to you about the UFO stories that people have told you?” Dr. Nolan answered: “The uniformity of the stories.” He offered an excellent caveat before beginning his discussion on the UFO topic, touching on being clear that speculation is important and does not equate to belief.
Dr. Nolan said he was fascinated with UFO cases that include messages about ecological collapse. He mentioned Zimbabwe school children contact story. When Fridman asked “Did it actually happen?” Nolan replied: “I think they saw what they said they saw. But I also think they saw what they were shown.”
Dr. Nolan then discussed his analysis of the brain of people who had UFO encounters. He said that the study began with individuals who appear to have had “Havana Syndrome.”
“In terms of the injury it’s likely almost all Havana Syndrome – that’s somebody else’s problem now that’s not my problem – but when we were looking at the brains of these individuals we noticed something. Right in the center of the basal ganglia in many of these individuals, that at first, we thought was damage, it was basically an enriched patch of MRI dense neurons that we thought was damage. But then it was showing up in everybody and then we looked and said oh it’s actually not. The other readings on these MRIs show that actually, that’s living tissue…that’s actually the head of the caudate-putamen,” he explained.
Nolan then moved on to the claims made in the UFO community that the research identified anomalies in the brains of those who see UFOs. He clarified that what he found in the research is not something that allows people to interact with UFOs but a form of higher functioning and processing.
“So what we then looked at – and this was the most fascinating part of it – we looked then at individuals in the families [of those they analyzed]…and we found that it was actually in families. And more so, this is the most fascinating part – we’ve probably looked now at about 200 just random cases that you can download off of databases online – this higher connectivity, you only find it in what Kit Green would have called or has called higher functioning individuals…he called them savants.”
Dr. Nolan noted how different witnesses to UFO sightings often see different things, “almost as if whatever it is, is projecting something into the mind, rather than it being a real manifestation, material, in front of you”. When he says Alien, it does not mean Hollywood aliens but a whole different way of thinking and a whole different level of experience.
Fridman asked a question about the government having something even more impressive “of extraterrestrial origin” in their possession. Dr. Nolan said: “I’ve not seen anything personally, but if I believe the people who I don’t think can lie, then…yes.” Additionally, he does not believe the Bob Lazar story. He went on to note that he prefers looking at cases that have data or material he can analyze, rather than historical stories.
Before ending his chat, Nolan noted that he had just joined up with Loeb’s “Galileo Project.” In the end, he gave a piece of advice to young scientists about researching things outside the mainstream.